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James: due to pretty much being needed on your warrior raid wise, I suggest in-game we swap your main/alt around, as well as in your character profile in the guild roster on the site.
Bearheart looks to become your raid character and it would be good to identify it as such.

Due to only having Dal/Dez as 'active' other mages, we should also make room for an additional mage to join the guild if we can find any.

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All: In the level 70 bla bla thread I have mentioned we should be stricter on recruitment. I strongly believe from this moment onwards we should take a careful approach in selecting new members and only take people who would add positively to the guild both as a person and as a character. I'd like to give people a trial-period of say a month, after which we will vote in the officer forums whether or not this person should be allowed to stay.

Please do let me know what you think.

Good plan, if raids are our goal we need to recruit carefully.

[quote:bfa8048eaa="Kaets"]James: due to pretty much being needed on your warrior raid wise, I suggest in-game we swap your main/alt around, as well as in your character profile in the guild roster on the site.
Bearheart looks to become your raid character and it would be good to identify it as such[/quote:bfa8048eaa]

At the risk of messing James about whats the scope of changing this back, seems to me with the 4 or 5 odd tanks we have we [i:bfa8048eaa]could[/i:bfa8048eaa] afford to lose one and allow James to drop his meat shield role and take on his full and rightful mantle of pew pew imba mage again.

ofc if you wanna play a warrior, well...who am I to judge :P at the very least get the mage geared up for the inevitable Curator.

Just a thought.

I wouldn't want to lose a Warrior in favor of a mage, really bad idea imo.

That would simply bring us back to square one in terms of tanks as well. Please don't assume a warrior is a tank, one of the warriors is now DPS and another one is due to currently real life circumstances with his disabled mother not available for most raiding.

If we would have thought that there are too many tanks/warriors then we would of course not have recruited them. I am really not as worried about mages as I am about some other classes, we could use 1 more mage but it is not as urgent as almost all the other DPS classes.

We have already converted 2 tanks to DPS: 1 Warrior (the most recent one) and Haammy who now is Moonkin. It would be extremely bad for the guild to remove another one - the only reliable tanks we have are Adam, James and myself. If we remove James we wont raid half of the time.

Just to say it once more: Really bad suggestion! Go sit in a corner and slap your fingers a few times for suggesting something like that :lol:
Besides that, James on a mage in raids is a scary thought - you are giving me nightmares! :wink:

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]I wouldn't want to lose a Warrior in favor of a mage, really bad idea imo.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

Thats your opinion :P

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]That would simply bring us back to square one in terms of tanks as well. Please don't assume a warrior is a tank, one of the warriors is now DPS and another one is due to currently real life circumstances with his disabled mother not available for most raiding.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

Whats a DPS warrior, is that like a rogue? which offers no use in use getting any further in Kara than we allready are. read the disclaimer...

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Dal"]ofc if you wanna play a warrior, well...who am I to judge at the very least get the mage geared up for the inevitable Curator.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]If we would have thought that there are too many tanks/warriors then we would of course not have recruited them. I am really not as worried about mages as I am about some other classes, we could use 1 more mage but it is not as urgent as almost all the other DPS classes.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

I thought warriors were closed and we were only taking socials not raiders, might of missed something there though

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]We have already converted 2 tanks to DPS: 1 Warrior (the most recent one) and Haammy who now is Moonkin. It would be extremely bad for the guild to remove another one - the only reliable tanks we have are Adam, James and myself. If we remove James we wont raid half of the time.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Dal"]Whats a DPS warrior, is that like a rogue? which offers no use in use getting any further in Kara than we allready are.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

Conceded on the Moonkin though, no problem there other than he needs to sign up for the raid.

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]Just to say it once more: Really bad suggestion! Go sit in a corner and slap your fingers a few times for suggesting something like that :lol:.[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

Done :cry:

[quote:0c1cf00ee8="Kaets"]Besides that, James on a mage in raids is a scary thought - you are giving me nightmares! :wink:[/quote:0c1cf00ee8]

Give me one week and I will have him reprogrammed to be the lead drinking, bullet p1ssing, cannonball sh1ting mage that he could be. (pardon my french)

I want another Mage for the curator! I am prepared to hold my breath until I get one!

James vastly prefers to raid on his warrior.

James finds it easier to grind on his mage.

that is all.

Under perfect circumstances I would only add 1 mage to any raid group to Karazhan, two only if we are short on other DPS - so unless you are planning to raid a lot less yourself there would be no benefit as far as Curator goes.
The moonkin will add a large benefit, as would Ally do on her spriest instead of her h-priest. Curator is a gear check though and our DPS failed to pass the check. Even you yourself needs a tiny extra bit in terms of mana, so you can last through 3 evocates instead of 2. It's only a matter of time to get Curator down imo.

DPS Warrior - it's not the ideal DPS class but it is a DPS class. He came attached to someone else, a Holy Paladin, which we badly needed. As we always lack DPS and lost several rogues, it is actually not bad to have a DPS Warrior. This means the Warrior section is now properly full, unless someone would leave. Remember that unlike mages most other classes can fulfil multiple roles so there is more space for those.

In terms of your "no use for Curator" comment: Some melee DPS, especially a warrior, would be IMMENSELY useful for Curator. He wouldn't run out of mana and can take a hell of a larger beating then a Mage can.

Raids are all about balance - but currently our guild also lacks some numbers. We try to fill those numbers as well as we can with the people we have. I understand you would like another mage and in fact the mage recruitment is open, but asking another member to chance to their mage only creates trouble in their class. Losing James as a tank would to be honest with you be one of the most destructive things that could happen to the guild right now.

I went for lunch so forgot to add this last time but we have 3 properly active tanks at the moment:
Adam
James
Myself

As proven last week those can even go together in a raid as I can switch to a DPS role and even pump out fairly competative DPS. Since the last raid I have invested 600 Gold in even better DPS gear so that I am able to keep acting in a DPS role if the situation requires.

Anyway, your suggestion was made with good intend: If anyone wants to kill Curator it's me, the T4 gloves are of massive importance to my tanking gear. I really don't believe another mage would be the solution though, if anything preventing to go with more then 1 mage is the key to his demise.

I'd much rather see a set-up which roughly is as follows:
Mage
Shadow Priest
Moonkin Druid
Warlock
Rogue or DPS Warrior
3x Healer, from which at least 1 Paladin for the buffs.
Warrior (Tank) - Flare Tank
Druid (Feral) - Tank Curator

For curator we need to get him to 15% within 3 evocates, preferably quicker. Our DPS so far has been less then apt. We did a really good attempt once, in which we knocked 34% of his health off during the 1st evocate, but subsequent evocates are usually not as good. One of the big problems we have is a lack of gear on the ranged dps.

Liam and Ally both need a serious gear boost, which aint going to happen if Ally has to keep healing all the time. Gary/Mike have had gear boosts - Mike just has to last through 3 evocates and the flares are not an issue. (With recent gear changes this should be possible now + we didnt have a shadow priest last time, nor a moonkin to boost crits)
Gary has to up his dps in general - key bindings would be beneficial for this whether he likes it or not; we need more dps for all later encounters in Kara and every little bit helps.
I am doing 50% more dps on Myrkul unbuffed while Gary is fully buffed and on a fairly similar +shadow damage, with close to identical specs, so there is a lot more potential dps there.

Anyway long post - but I believe we are on the right track. Curator is a gear issue, not a mage issue and adding a 2nd mage in the raid would weaken it rather then solve the problem - imo.

The main problem I had with Curator wasn't my DPS, but that he resisted a hell of a lot of the shadowbolts I cast during the evocations. So either or both of spell hit/spell penetration needs to improve, which will usually be to the detriment of spell crit. chance.

well....

James, update your character page - level 64

Gary, do more DPS! - Do you use Macro's, Spell Sequence can place your curses onto 1 button, Focus can mean you can ignore your cc till someone screams at you, an assist and seed of corruption might work if you drop it on a tanks target in AoE (not thought about that but I think I like it) if you want any help on that side I can work something out for you just tell me what you want to acheive

Peter, enchant my gear with mp5 - for free and while you are at it any chance you can diss a load of cr@p

Ally, get more gear not as easy as it sounds, hows tailoring going? also we have alot of Pallys now, can pallys replace priests for healing in Kara?

Neill, you just keep being Neill :wink:

Mike, shut up - go level an alt or something.

Well... tailoring is on Succubus not Zylex - but it's at 350 atm and I intend to get 375 tonight (and if not then certainly before next time I have to use her in raid). Went for it on her instead of Zylex as there's literally nothing better ingame up till T5/6 than the primal mooncloth set and I've been meaning to train it for months, just been slacking... But there's better gear available for sp's without needing to get tailoring.

Zylex is still geared quite poorly - it's really just gonna be a case of getting to play her. I do need to try and spend some more time instancing on her tho to be fair. Not even keyed for any heroics on her yet - I seem to always get sucked in to stuff on Succubus for some reason. So far I've been farming arena points, honour and marks for many of my items but much of the gear I need does come from Kara so it's gonna be a case of actually getting in there which yes, should be much easier with the new healers we've recruited (since I can still shackle on Zylex we don't *need* a holy priest in the raid). But yeah for example, Gary got a few items on Friday after a bit of a "you have it, no you have it" discussion which would all have been HUGE upgrades for me had I been on the poor lil sp!! ;)