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In order to run the guild efficiently through high-end content we need to be fairly organised, with some people taking responsibility of organising certain aspects of the guild. Running a succesful high-end WoW Guild is simply not a one-man effort and I recognise that certain duties need to be delegated. Please feel free to disagree with me or voice your opinion/concern but personally I feel such roles should go to mature, knowledgeable people with a high attendance rate/availability, and for those with raid/instance specific leading duties: extremely clear English. This is of course not a criticism to anyone, but during a raid we can't afford misunderstandings.

As I can see it currently, we would need: (Obviously some duties can/will overlap)


[b:da72707c3c]Main Tank 1 & 2[/b:da72707c3c] - A raiding guild needs 2 tanks who receive the bulk of the first batch of tanking gear. The better geared the tank(s), the easier most encounters are for the healers. This might sound unfair or harsh for guilds with more tanks, but it is common sense. It doesn't take longer then a few runs before these tanks have their gear and the "off-tanks" receive the exact same gear anyway. Tanks are also the smallest class in any guild, so there is less need for this gear, it becomes the gear that is disenchant the soonest in most cases.

[b:da72707c3c]Raid Leader(s)[/b:da72707c3c] - A raid leader has to coordinate a raid in terms of set-up (which people should go to get a balanced group), target assignment, tactics, explanations, etc. This should *always* be an officer as this person is also responsible for Epic loot distribution and ensuring everything is done fairly. For Epic loot, we will have a system where everybody passes on the item regardless of what it is. The Raid leader will then look at the items one-by-one and tell the raid which classes can roll on it. Ninja'ing Epics or rolling by accident is absolutely disastrous and causes a huge loss to the guild as a whole!
We most likely have 2 raid leaders. Since we wont have more then 1 raid group for quite a while this will normally be the same person, with somebody else training/acting as reserve. Eventually if we get ready for 25-mans, we will have enough people for 2 simultaneous 10-mans which need we will need 2 raid leaders.
Raid leaders are expected to know tactics of each boss-fight and stay up-to-date on them.

[b:da72707c3c]Healing Class Leader[/b:da72707c3c] - During raids somebody has to coordinate healers, assign healers to certain duties, keep track of the gear of all healers and possibly tell them what gear should go to whom in order to make the most out of the healer-pool, etc. This is an important duty and requires somebody with clear english and a strong grasp of the game, gear and tactics. It requires a lot of reading up on tactics and such, much like the raid leader(s). The Raid leader should barely have to get involved when it comes to healing coordination, and the raid leader and healing class leader together should be able to work out any boss-fight's organisation. Note that this should (in my eyes) be somebody playing a Healer as main class!

[b:da72707c3c]Class Leaders[/b:da72707c3c] - If (read when) we grow big enough to do 25-man raids we will have several people in each class. At this point, each class will get 1 assigned class leader who's duty it will be to keep track of the gear, specs and balance of their class and report potential overcrowding or needs for additional people to the recruitment officer. The Healing class leader would be a class leader by default.

[b:da72707c3c]Recruitment Officer[/b:da72707c3c] - We need somebody who takes on the responsibility of - in a rather serious manner - ensuring we have enough people for the activities we are trying to deal with. This includes keeping the recruitment procedure up-to-date, handling and processing applications, keeping track of trialists, organising meetings to vote on a trialist, the full works.



Suggestions for these positions, feedback, etc really appreciated guys (and girl(s) )

I will happily help sort healing until whoever is going to be class leader knows the encounters well. Would love to be healing leader but that would be a bit retarded on a shadow priest. :oops: Got plenty of input to help out whoever takes this on though, particularly in terms of the priests of course. Personally think Neillio would be perfect if he's up for it! :)

Agree - it is most likely best if the first few times you sort out the healing Ally and then slowly but steadily have Neill or Richard take over.

As far as Main tanks go, I think this is for now pretty simply, as we only have 2. Only future experiences in raids and 5-mans will tell us who keep filling those roles. James and I for now, we will see what happens in the future.

Recruitment officer wise I haven't got a clue, we need a really well organised, motivated, active person for this as it is vital to acquire the right people and to organise this in a structured manner. If one of the people with other tasks does it, it becomes a little under-appreciated task which hardly gets carried out. I don't think a guild with our kind of ambitions can afford that.

Raid leaders - I'm happy to do that at first, I have the feeling this is expected anyway. Over time during raids it will easily become clear who has a good grasp of tactics / the fight, who is clear and vocal on comms and would be ok for running a potential second group, or leading it while I sit back and tank. Either way i think it is good to have at least 2 people for this. If you add the healing class leader you have 3 people capable of running a raid if needed -> that should be fine.

Class leaders - not an issue right now with the guild size, but eventually this is reasonably important. It wont be too hard to get that sorted - for some classes I have a good idea of the ideal person, for other classes there are 2 options or none at all.

[b:5bd0bc1bda]Main Tanks[/b:5bd0bc1bda] - Agreed.

[b:5bd0bc1bda]Raid Leaders[/b:5bd0bc1bda] - Agreed, but I'd also recommend that all officers try to be capable of at least backing up / filling in for the raid leader, even if not expected to have to, both for practicality in case of having to go away from keyboard and because it's generally useful for all officers to have sufficient understanding to proffer constructive criticism and suggestions.

[b:5bd0bc1bda]Healing Class Leader[/b:5bd0bc1bda] - Agreed, and I'll be happy to take this role when I'm good enough.

[b:5bd0bc1bda]Class Leaders[/b:5bd0bc1bda] - Agreed, but I can't offer anything useful here.

[b:5bd0bc1bda]Recruitment Officer[/b:5bd0bc1bda] - Agree with general gist, but no idea on who, especially as it depends on who are the raid leaders / healing class leader.

Gary, James, opinions?

After much consideration, talking to individual people and pondering on how to best implement things administration wise, I present the following suggestions:

[b:6de9d8ac8c][u:6de9d8ac8c]Main Tanks[/u:6de9d8ac8c][/b:6de9d8ac8c] - Kaets, Bearheart
Potential recruitment of a Prot Paladin or Prot Warrior for more coverage.

[b:6de9d8ac8c][u:6de9d8ac8c]Raid Leaders[/u:6de9d8ac8c][/b:6de9d8ac8c] - Partially based on Neill's suggestion, I agree all [b:6de9d8ac8c]Officers[/b:6de9d8ac8c] should be capable of raid leadership and coordination and attempt to stay up-to-date with tactics. That includes you James! ;-)

[b:6de9d8ac8c][u:6de9d8ac8c]Healing Class Leader[/u:6de9d8ac8c][/b:6de9d8ac8c] - After much talking we have come to a solution which includes Ally, Richard and Neill all in a fair way instead of excluding one of you. I am glad this decision was made easier by everyones help and excellent suggestions - and that nobody was being difficult or greedy. It's really nice to see so much willingness to step aside and let somebody else do a job in the realization that they might be more experienced. This is what our guild is about and it is absolutely fantastic to see the Class Leaders and Officers act in such a great manner with one another.

[b:6de9d8ac8c]Ally[/b:6de9d8ac8c] - Obviously the most qualified and will lead the healers in the first raids in this role, guiding and assisting Neill until he is fully comfortable to take over. Ally will assume the role of both recruitment officer as well as Raid Leader. I will be watching a big fat bear arse most of the time and Ally's input will be invaluable to coordinate DPS efforts.
[b:6de9d8ac8c]Neill[/b:6de9d8ac8c] - Neill will be Druid class leader as it makes sense to have a Class Leader as Healing Class Leader / Coordinator. Once Neill is fully comfortable of coordinating all Healing during raids (so once he automatically takes over from Ally in raids on the healing front) he will be a Raid Leader in the role of Healing coordination - and eventually leading raids in our absence.
[b:6de9d8ac8c]Richard[/b:6de9d8ac8c] - I am very pleased that Richard due to above arrangements can take on the role as Priest Class Leader, as I strongly believe he is an excellent player with tremendous potential and that his input long-term will be invaluable to the Guild. I also believe that Ally and Richard get on extremely well and that they will form the core of what will be an awesome team of Priests.

In relation to above, once Neill is Healing Class Leader, if he is unavailable during a raid (or if we start running 2 groups) both Ally and Richard should be able to take over Healing Coordination without any trouble.

[b:6de9d8ac8c][u:6de9d8ac8c]Class Leaders[/u:6de9d8ac8c][/b:6de9d8ac8c] - After much consideration and talking to people, I would like to make the following suggestion in terms of Class Leaders:

Druid: Neill (Alratan)
Hunter: -
Mage: Mike (Dalthanar)
Paladin: -
Priest: Richard (Ammagad)
Rogue: -
Shaman: -
Warlock: Gary (Wraeththu)
Warrior: James (Bearheart)

Rogue: Obviously the rogue department is a bit special as it depends if Xander and Kenneth return, I'd prefer to leave it for the moment being.
Hunter: We only have one "main" hunter, no point making a Class Leader yet.
Paladin: We don't have any (mains).
Shaman: We don't have any (mains).

I believe above suggestions are pretty much a given, though if somebody has issues with this or other suggestions, please do speak up.

I have added a new group on the forums for Class Leaders. All Class Leaders will have access to the officer forum as well as access to the officer chat in-game - I believe their input is highly valuable when it comes to discussing trialists and other organisational matters. Class Leaders will have Moderator access to the forums of their Class to ensure they can edit stickies with class information and moderate the section properly.

[b:6de9d8ac8c][u:6de9d8ac8c]Recruitment Officer[/u:6de9d8ac8c][/b:6de9d8ac8c] - As discussed above, Ally will take on this rather important role. Since she will be a raid leader anyway, it makes sense for her to do this as she will have a good judgment on trialist during raids later on.
One strong note is that this position is administrative and organisational in nature - every member and especially class leaders / officers should assist in spotting potential valuable members and directing them to the application form on the forums. Ally can take it from there much easier then if she has to go out and 'locate' people. It is impossible to find good members on her own, so please do mention any potential good new member to her and/or sent them directly to the forums where they can apply.

As far as recruitment goes - the decision on how many people per class we need will be up to Ally, the raid leaders and the leader of the class in question. I suggest we establish what the current situation is per class and deal with it on a class-by-class basis, but it is up to Ally how she prefers handling it :) Maybe a seperate thread on the officer forums where we can all make suggestions on what we think is needed per class.

I would like to implement above suggestions as soon as possible in regards to Class Leaders - so please post your agreement or disagreement as soon as you are reading this.

Excellent post, I agree with all proposals and comments tbh :)

I agree with it, I just have a slight point in terms of terminology. Given that in game class leaders will have officer channel access, etc., it might be a good idea to have all class leaders called officers and all of what we currently call officer (everyone who can currently read this forum) called something else, to avoid confusion.

Yeah not really sure how to get around the Officer terminology.

Maybe Class Leader and Raid Leader will do, but that doesn't make sense yet in some cases. ;)